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12-11-2010, 04:58 PM

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PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

HI BILL it was recorded as there being a garden EAST of EDEN
And that mankind was first made in that garden.
Does that preclude that there were never any others made??
Consider this ages parallel-parable, of AI.
Now our AI is made in our image and when it comes to full consciousness
how are we going to treat it???

There are HUGE gaps in the scriptures ABOUT THE SEQUENCE pertaining to
mankind and the whole creation issue.
But then the BOOK or BOOX were never meant to highlite mankind, but
GOD KIND. And this is where there is more divergence.
Most see the BOOX as cups half full while others see them as half empty
There was never meant to be the glorification of the CREATED or the CREATION.

Yes too many FUNDIES are hooked on the proxy of their erstwhile preachers
when a true believer has no earthly teacher.
And thus few are they who find the way, the TRUTH and the life.

pax

09-27-2010, 06:40 PM

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PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

You have surely read the rebuke of Jesus
"'Many shall come claiming LORD Lord we did this
and we did that in your name". How did the rebuttle go?

So your claim that such died in the cause of Jesus is moot.
How do you know they died for Jesus? You don't and you can''t
for as scripture notes that all men are liars without exception.
What organization sent Jimmy there?
Tell me do you recruit for Jesus or does someone else have
to ordain you to the field of endeavor? How was Paul ordained?
Do todays religious have the same power or motive as those early christians?

Do the Mormons recruit for Jesus?
Do the Witness's recruit for Jesus?
Does the Pope or Mr Moon? How about them baptists and the many others?
Or is more likely they are selfishly recruiting for their own use?
Seems to me that they are all recruiting for their own selfish end,
that chink that tinkles well in the collection plates.

Have you not read where Paul wanted to go and missionary in a
certain place and GOD told him no?
So how can you be sure that Jimmy your idol christian was sent there
to die and be turned into a martry by folks who think that is what makes
a martry?
Do you even know what it means to be a MARTYR?

I read this report of a man who literally took the scriptures and climbed
into a tigers cage to SHARE THE GOSPEL as the words say to all CREATURES.
Do you know what happened to that zealous soul?
He was mauled and eaten. So you tell me, did GOD make a bad tiger or
send that fool to convert that tiger?
Was he a martyr? If you say he was then we have a big gulf in the understanding
of what a martyr is.
Maybe then the suicide nuts of Islam really are martyrs, and the blown up, just
collateral damage-nothingness.

pax

09-25-2010, 07:21 PM

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PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

Reset, relife and resurrection

How many here today believe in life beyond this realm, after death?
Too few. Why not? No proof. But yet everyday you unbelievers make

plans for tomorrow, next week, even next year. You even lay up pensions

for you later years – your dotage years. Why?
What proof have you that you’ll meet anyone of those ephemeral moments

in future time? Who can guarantee that you do? Ah the what if scenario.

And yet reset as in video gaming, relief as in hibernation, or resurrection

as the great Egyptians dreamed and schemed for, seems such an alien concept for youse today.
Two thousand years ago folks held as much faith in this, as so many hold

today, when the story-legend-myth-claim is that more than just one AROSE again from their post earthly life.

Chrissy here made such an impassionate argument against GOD of having

been so indiscriminate in killing so many babies by the Noahian-Gilgameshian flood.
Let me argue with you who are so fixed in your carnal cave dwelling moment as concerns REALITY.

Explain what is found in CYBERSPACE. Is it real, explain how it functions defining its parameters and why it is such a success in “online communication”.

Science believes that everything is really all SPACE-VOID-Emptiness.
You, me, just like cyberspace, and that if you were shrunk down to nano

size as in the fantasy FANTASTIC VOYAGE, you might grasp this concept.

But I say, it works equally in the flip mode, MACROSIZED,

how would you appear to us here if you were UPSIZED 2-100 times exponentially.

How many here have VIDEO gamed in the last ten years or twenty years?
Consider the quantum leap we have been gifted since the sale of the first
PONG game.
Consider how something that is NOTHING-TACTILESS is stored and

yet manages to give so much delight to billions.

Tell me, what is your body basically composed of? Dust, Air, Fire and Water,
the four elements.

What is it that keeps those separate particulates together in a balance of

harmony, those ions and atoms, in this dance of life that sort of defines

who you or I are.

ARE WE really real? Can you see Power? Can you see AIR? Can you see Spirit?
How can you trust your eyes which get their information second

hand, as the light reflects-skews it?
How can you be sure of your mathematics, when they so often fail?
Now explain this world contextually on the MACRO scale and Micro.
How do the smallest things survive and how does the whole Solar System

keep itself together, and you will surely understand that we haven’t even

scratched the surface of KNOWLEDGE.

So many are like two dimensional beings trying to grasp the conception

of the FIFTH dimension, let alone the third or fourth.

So many accept this reality, based purely on the INPUT PROGRAMMING others
have led and lend to you.

Sit in your car, go on. Touch nothing, and don’t start it, that is you

at birth. Then you get a learners and finally a license and that is you

today. Are you a good driver?
You are the SOUL/Spirit of your car. Without you, it can’t go anywhere

far, though you can step out and another sit in and it will do for them

what it would for you, there the similarity skews.

But you can step out and move on without it, but without someone working

it’s mechanisms it is basically DEAD-USELESS.

You are as is your Soul, independent of your BODY- the CAR- this vehicle. But it,
the BODY or CAR are utterly dependent on us.

You must maintain the Car for it to be efficient as you must also

do for your body.

What would happen if you didn’t fuel your vehicle?

And so too our SOUL, when this mortal coil falters and ultimately dies.

We move on, but then who among us want another turn on this world,

this ride and come back to do it all from scratch a second time? How

many would want to be rebirthed if you knew at some point on your life line

you would contract cancer, be deformed, suffer for years before the

release of this journey is met?

The evidence is all around us to see, rebirth- renewal-recycling, but to

understand that you need do more than cloister yourselves with tomes

upon tomes beside and before so many equally hindered.

Be they religious or scientific, for such as most often are just as
superstitious.
So who cares if the infant died, or 6 million vanished into thin air

during holocaust. With GOD relife is POSSIBLE in a whole new
CONTEXT, but without HIM, smeg people, you are forever DEAD

GAMEOVER.
WHO IS GOING TO HIT THE RESET BUTTON FOR YOU?

Sorry people, I don’t mean to talk down to you, but it is so simple, and

yet the unbelievers always seem to want to make it so convolutedly

complicated, A diffi-Cult.

Is it to keep you at their level of insecurity to keep you from realizing

your true potential, or is it to keep you WAYED for six feet down?

pax

09-25-2010, 07:09 PM

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PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

WHAT EVER THE CURRENT HYPE IS.
MOST OFTEN THEY ONLY BELIEVE THEMSELVES

09-24-2010, 05:12 PM

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PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

Archealogist

secular science is NOT working for God but the devil to deceive those who should belong to God.

it is also robbing God of glory an dhonor by giving credit for His work to some.thing that does not exist nor ever existes.

Who cares what anyone thinks about who they think that they are working for.
Consider it not from a third point of view if you believe GOD, for by all THINGS GOD means it
for good, even those who aren't allied-aligned with HIM.

UNDERSTAND what is offered and not be HUNG OUT by the precepts of idiots whose
program many have become ensnared in.

You call yourself ARCHEALOGIST, does not that field of science embrace eons of time?
We don't know DEFINITELY when the first clot of dust coalesced to form what we call this
planet, we have data SORTED in RADIOACTIVE DECAY of the very ground beneath your feet that
tell of time older than 6 billion years, but how long the molten ball circled a very infant sun
we have no way of dating.

man by nature is a WATCHER.

09-24-2010, 05:03 PM

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PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

THIS IS A RATE YOURSELF POLL

Its drawn from the DAWKINS book- the GOD Delusion.
YES I have tread where the trained fear to go.

So which are you?

pax

1- Strong Theist

100% probability of GOD

believe as Jung and Luther spoke

I don't BELIEVE, I know.

2- De facto Theist

high probability of GOD just short of 100%

I don't know for certain, but I strongly believe in

GOD and live my life on the assumption HE is.

3-Technical Agnostic, with positive leanings towards

theism

Probability of GOD is 50% plus 10 to 15%

Am uncertain but am inclined to believe in GOD

4- Impartial Agnostic,

exactly 50%

GOD's existence is equi- Probable as improbable

we call such fence sitters

5- Technical Agnostic with a negative leaning

towards Atheism,

below 50% with a 10 to 15 %

spread towards atheism

Don't know about GOD but am skeptical as to there being a GOD

6--Defacto Atheist

35-1 percentage of probability

of believing in such an idea as GOD, can't be certain

but believe that a GOD is IMPROBABLE and thus

I live as if there is no such being as GOD

7--STRONG ATHEIST

the opposite of Jung and Luther,

avow THERE is NO SUCH BEING as GOD, period

09-24-2010, 04:59 PM

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PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

Chrissy posted
First of all, I was speaking of the church for free thought when I said it was geared toward and older crowd who lack social interaction with like minded people. That church has nothing to do with worship.

TRUTH, CHURCH hasn't anything to do with worship, though some might still think that is'
the case, when it fact it's often as place of INDOCRINATION-BRAINWASHING_PROGRAMMING
And anyone can have such a church, not just religious or UNEBLIEVERS.

What is ERRONEOUS is that one has the ability anywhere to have FREE THOUGHT
where whatever one says is accepted be it amongst the religious or UNBELIEVING.

And we all believe something, even so called ATHIESTS or AGNOSTICS

09-24-2010, 04:38 PM

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PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

archaeologist Wrote: i see why no one responds to pasha's posts. they make no sense whatsoever. but to address the title of this thread:

it depends upon how you measure success and failure for one may be a 'failure' in the eyes of a human but in God's eyes He is still a success simply because they obeyed. I cite the lost lives of the 5 missionaries to an inhospitable tribe in south america, jim elliot was one of the ones killed as soon as they got out of their plane.

to the world their actions were a failure and a waste but to God, they were but a seed placed into the ground taking root which led to later successes.

THEY HAVE EYES AND YET IT IS DENIED THEM TO SEE< they have ears and yet they hear
only Miss Wormwood, WHY does scripture record that connotation?

HOW was the death of Jim a success for GOD?
WHAT SUCCESS was realized by so many, other pressures driving the folks to mainstream
with BOOK THUMPERS and MURDERERS.
HOW were those folks blessed by the murder of JIMMY?
Wasn't GOD satisfied with the sacrifice of Jesus that HE also needed the life of Jim?
Why was JIMMY and COMPANY THERE, really do you know the truth?
Why does GOD need the many religious to go forth to strangers to impart TRUTH, when
they all have one basic flaw. They SKEW the TRUTH to reflect not GOD but their own
organizations.
The BAPTISTS recruit for WHOM? The Catholics recruit for WHOM
The Witnesses and Mormons recruit for whom?
And you can add all the other sects and religions into that same CONCLUSION
for none are recruiting for GOD, for GOD has no such need.
WHAT were the disciples ordained to do, can you as a believer recall their MANDATE?

So now tell me why JimElliot was met with angst and hate, or just an impulse that here
was another textured white guy from a long litany of white guys who have basically screwed this world
and truth into an uneviable knot.

pax

09-24-2010, 04:28 PM

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PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

O how we tend to stake so much emphasis on ourselves
Those innocents would have returned right back to the source
not having known the difference, for they would not have had any reference
point to go by.

WOW folks always placing themselves in the grown feet of GOD and dismissing
HIM as irrelevant.

How does a farmer deal with a crop that is suddenly worthlessly ruined?
Does that farmer weep for the effort and the dear departed?
LOOK so many have come to fallic conclusions based loosely on one wee verse
GOD MADE MAN IN HIS OWN IMAGE.
Does that equate us to being GOD's equals and thus GOD must therefore be
more interested of us that say the grass you walk across.
Do you worry about the baby roe when you consume caviar, or the OVUM so many
fry up for breakfast?
Do animals or plants not suffer if they are bruised-hurt?
Is it natural to only BIASED towards one species?
Take the next most intelligent- the DOLPHINS do we take more care for them
say Stupid sheep or VEAL-calves?

LETS just say it was real, what would have caused the water levels to rise to such extreme
and how did the ARK manage not to be effected by the same condition?
COME PEOPLE you all live in a MOST MODERN TIME or so many marvels and wonders
2000 years ago they would have called you gods.
So much sentient science and still so bewildered

09-11-2010, 06:57 PM

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PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

ZACH POSTED- I've stated many times how evolution has been studied and observed.

If a monkey changed into a human being and started working because it didn't like it's enviroment, that would be very, very strong evidence that evolution is not true at all. Evolution and adaptation takes thousands of years. It is not some concious decision that at animal makes on a whim. On top of that man did not evolve from monkey's. This comment shows how little you know about evolution.

Saying it's just a theory doesn't help your arguement at all, gravity is also a theory, not a 'fact.'

SCIENCE is the new gang-ideal-idol on the block
It ASSUMES much as I also noted about the religious

But gravity is a FACT, or you would be flopping about, just as a rose by any other name would
stink as sweetly

pax

09-11-2010, 06:50 PM

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PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

to Archeologist--
ZACH is correct in the fact the earth is billions of years olde
but placing a number is just an abstraction for unbelievers.
Who cares if the STORY was written from a timeless source perspective
as being 6 days, while todays anthropomorphics need to have it anaylzed down to
the last microsecond, to be seen somewhat MORE correct.

What matters is that the BOOK proves the fact long before anyone called
a SCIENTIST or SCIENCE was around, that what was CREATED was CREATED
in the proper order, long before we are astounded by what the UNBELIEVERS now
think they have stumbled upon.

TAKE heart believer, SCIENCE is working for GOD. They just don't know it YET.
Be patient, all will be made known-AWARE.

pax

09-11-2010, 06:38 PM

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PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

Failure of Ministry

This applies in spades right across the spectrum of all religions, as once demonstrated
by the Madhi's of olde to the Ayatolla Ruhollah Khomeini recently, and among us
Christians, the likes of J.Jones, D.Koresh, O.Roberts, J.Falwell, J.Baker, J.Swaggard
and our current pimpernel, the pastor Terry Jones.

What is it that these all have in common? In the name of GOD from their own vain
bitter petty sheete hearts they all spewed what blind religious sods spew which
usually turns their flock and others into fodder for slaughter.
Saddam, Hilter, the dicks of Serbia and Argentina to list a few, which one could
also include America in places like Korea and the Nam.

Terry has now had his fifteen minutes of shame-infamy, how will he turn this blemish
U-TUBE VIRAL into LORD Lord, behold all that I have done for your glory and
for your Kingdom and Name?

It appears that just about anyone can edit and write their own twisted take of a holy
BOOK into a STUDY JOKE and so too the amount of cloned jokers-fools that
get churned through the bowels of the seminaries and come out certifiable to
dole out their brand of INSANE NONSENSE, for financial-fames consideration.
Be it Imams inciting their followers to commit evil in the name of GOD, or a Christian
minister inciting the Muslims by threatening to sheet on their drole truth, their copy
of the BIBLE(sic-greek for book) called the QURAN.
They all have won nothing for the KINGDOMS SAKE.

Maybe folks like Ray (from my home site),ought set up schools where folks are
made to pass a real test on what actually is written in the BIBLE or BOOK of their faith
rather than as this T.JONES droll from Florida, whose only truth is what some other biased
asphole has whispered in his cockle like ear. Such morons never come closer
to the truth than holding it in their greasy little filthy mitts.

So many grease stains making GOD and GOD's Truth look like tripe-sheet
that they like caged simians can sling about, when they just shat it out.
How many of these little beasts have you seen prance about holding their copy
so close to their hearts, while claiming read my lips, or in the name of GOD we
must eliminate WMDs, maybe they would be better served if they just SHUT
THE HECK UP and put their noses between the covers and started READING,
FASTING and MEDITATING what's being offered therein to them.

To all you programmed theologians, you need to collectively pull your heads out
the arses of the likes of Pete and Paulie and whomever you are now looking to,
to mentor you.
And if you are truly of the CHRISTIAN FAMILY then come to understand the
"101" lesson of JESUS truth and what He actually stood for and stop sacrificing
the dollops you have managed to memorize and the dopes you have mesmerized
because of a camera and fifteen minutes of fame.

     LOVE THY NEIGHBOR, LOVE THY ENEMY
     DO GOOD TO THEM WHO MISTREAT YOU.
Ray can surely tell you where this is found, go ask around and maybe by him you'll find
Too many wannbe Christians have failed this AXIOM of CHRISTIAN FOUNDATIONAL
TRUTH,.This is what sets Christians apart from all the other upstarts.
That is what ACTUALLY MAKES IT the very hardest religion to be HONEST IN/OF.

The second is very like the first- JOHN 15- go read what is written there
and it is verse 20 which it seems Terry flunked, as so many of todays INTOLERANT
RELIGIOUSLY SKEWED CHRISTIAN MINISTERS also have.
Maybe it wasn't part of their curriculum, and that marks their tutors being the even greater
losers.
   ²⁰Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.
              If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also.
             If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.
Did the Jews persecute Jesus because He was out burning the Torah?
So where did this son of a snake get that idea? Since when does two wrongs equal a right?
So why is it that wannbe christian is desiring to burn another believers holy books?
Who the blink does he think he is to demand anything of anyone in the great land of the FREED?

Did Jesus proclaim holy jihad in the name of His GOD-ABBA?
So why are so many churched idiots so readily given to casting stones on anyone who dares
to withstand your wilful idiocy, your bitter biter attitudes not to adore?

Did Jesus command or even demand Christians to prosecute or persecute anyone who with
your skew not agreeing? Isn't the legacy of the CATHOLIC CHURCH and whatabout the
Protestant splinters who today also now walk in that catholic decay?
Did Jesus institutionalize nationalistic zeal, following of soiled arse-oles who come and
pose before you in their robes of officatum and in their insanity use Jesus name to
sanction their version of INSANE MURDEROUS AGENDA or MONEY GRUBBING?
Don't they dishonor His name and cause disorder that they might be seen and worshiped
for what they have contrived? Consider the lessons of TOJO, MUSSOLINI, Helter skelter Hitler,
in how they riled folks to hatred in the name of their true dream,GREED.

O you poor shorn and fornicated sheep, your MINISTERS have dragged you down deep.
Your ministers have done you a greater disservice than any UNBELIEVER-OUTSIDER
could ever do to you.

There are more extremists living in close proximity of nuclear stockpiles in AMERICA
than anywhere else on earth. You are whom the world should fear and tear down
for you have begun to reraise the Swastika symbol now straitened into stars and stripes.
And likewise now goosestepped in your blitz surges with your patriotic selfish zeal for your
mistresses, of the GUN and the lurid love of MONEY.
You are headed for another version of DIE KRYSTAL NACHTwhere only those who think
as you demand of them to.
ARREST SUCH HATE MONGERS who never seem to see the greater harm such curs can incur.
WHAT the DIFFERENT from the KHYMER ROUGE, the BROWNSHIRTS and SS who also hyped
theirs as being only ALL TRUTH and the Republican party who sanctioned TWO INVASIONS.
O you haven't run your own POGRAM yet but the heading you are one this can't be far off,
as this nation keeps slipping further and further into debt.
Haven't the ministers of this nation figured out what killed Communism in the former Soviet
Union? Errant Deficit spending on false perceptions.
Fire those ministers, hold them accountable for their fiscal messes.
How can you hype the land you love as BEING THE LAND OF THE FREE when you all
seem under so much duress?
And fruy those ministers who in your faith have not learned the lesson of love as their
ICONIC leaders demonstrated.

YOU ARE WHAT YOU CONSUME. Question, what's consuming you?
   LOVE or HATE, there is no GREY ZONE between these two, you are either
a lover or a hater, so CHOOSE.

pax

09-11-2010, 06:13 PM

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PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

They aren't even close to what is being termed GROUND ZERO
so lets get that fact strait, for it's also in places far removed from GROUND ZERO
that the real zero's who formerly managed this nation are driving the new nails
to wedge the nation apart in it's fickle heart.

EITHER ONE HAS THE FREEDOM OF RELIGION which doesn't just apply to
christians, or one doesn't.
Same goes for the freedom of SPEECH but sadly in AMERICA one doesn't actually
have that either.

So much for the land of the free.

What I wish is that media's would stop spinning the hate mongerers, like Terry Jones.
Yes he has the freedom to burn all the Qurans he likes, but if it is seen as a form
of HATE MONGERING, throw his sorry asp in jail where his ministry can exceed his current
audience of 53.

pax

09-01-2010, 05:55 PM

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PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

Evolution is true.

HOW DO YOU EVEN REMOTELY GO ABOUT PROVING THAT ZACH?
AT BEST IT IS A THEORY THAT HAS HIGH PROBABILITY, but that still don't make
it FACT.

When was the last time a monkey evolved into a man and went to work because it
decided it's enviroment was nolonger teneble?
But we have lots of proof for the DEVOLUTION don't we in how manknid really hasn't changed
much about the first created start line.

pax

09-01-2010, 05:51 PM

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PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

The Bible is probably wrong. There is zero evidence that supports its claims.
In fact, and in reality, there is tons of evidence mounting against the
literal translation of the Bible

Science is probably also wrong and in time that evidence will also climb as they
amend their isms creed as has religion so often done. So WHAT.
I agree with you that there is a lot lacking in the really distant transliteration
of the texts of SCRIPTURE that has survived to our time, but that aside
there is much TRUTH still there.

Take the CREATION story, which the UNBELIEVERS love to label as EVOLUTION
Consider the odds that both the CREATIONISTS whose record is older than modern
science managed to get the whole darned CREATION ORDER OF FACTS STRAIGHT-RIGHT.
rather than having iot read GOD created MAN and went OOPS, how is this to survive.
Well I'lll make food, OOPS, where will it come from? I'll make land a sea, OOPS, first
we need atmosphere, et cetra-

A BOOK that is almost 5000 years olde managed to get the story ORDER RIGHT and this
seems to the scientific community as what?
Imagine if a scientists pondered the odds of travel faster than time and OOPS, seems that
is what has already happened, but has anyone managed to prove that yet?

Can't you UNBELIEVERS of CREATION accept that you haven't a foggiest clue more than
those super hyper religious, who love to quote so much but likewise have so little they can
PROVE?

pax