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07-09-2010, 11:08 AM

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logos235
Englewood, FL
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I dont know Pash even Pascals wager seems a bit passe so your scare tactics seem to be no more than a death knell to a rigidified belief system that has nothing left but peoples fear. To even believe in a god that worries about name calling seems pathological to me. So go around spreading your millenialist manichean mumbo jumbo, it only serves to hasten the inevitable death of an paternalist, insecure, raving, demon of a false god.
   What I think is really funny though is how you inkoke the name of science, implying we dont understand it, then proceding to utter a completely inappropriate cliched phrase to demonstrate your own understanding, or lack there of. I mean what are you trying to say that god is some great chemist and we're somehow his experiment and hes gonna end it if we dont turn out to his liking. If thats what your saying than you are critiquing your own view point just as much as the scientific/blasphemous viewpoint. God is just a callous, myopic, dimwit who cant judge depth or value, choosing to destroy something for lack of proper understanding of it.
   You go on to say that what we need is more fear?! Really? Come on... it is precisely fear, that basest and most vile of the negative affects, that has gotten us into trouble in the first place.  Fear of god is nothing more than fear of the unknown and what would humanity be if we always feared the unknown? Weak and pathetic creatures who prefer to live their lives on their knees instead of the noble race which boldly breaks thru barriers and claims its birthright as true sons of God. Forget about fear, Remember who you truely are for eternity in now and God is immanent.
   I think I've responded to enough of that...

sic semper tyrannis

07-08-2010, 10:07 AM

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logos235
Englewood, FL
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07-06-2010, 06:30 PM

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logos235
Englewood, FL
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In other words, how do we judge value? What makes a human being better than a worm? How about this, the old life boat problem: if we have ten people in the life raft that only has enough room for seven people who has to go?

07-06-2010, 06:20 PM

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logos235
Englewood, FL
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What if inorder to deal with eternity God infact chose amnesia over boredom...What if all this is merely God playing hide and go seek with itself

07-06-2010, 06:04 PM

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logos235
Englewood, FL
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Indeed I have considered Plato's allegory of the cave quite seriously. You are quite right to point out that the Matrix was a retelling of this classic mind bender. It is tied in directly with the difference between sensation and perception. Sensation deals with the intitial contact of that which is sensed with that which does the sensing . In the case of vision light waves are focused and directed against the retina and transmitted via the optic nerve into the brain where it is processed and changed/translated into a perception of the visual field around you. So perception then is what is left over after the sensation has been filtered and processed though your nervous system. It is in fact an artifact produced directly by the interaction of yourself and the environment. So really its you who hides reality from yourself. The veil between the real and illusory worlds was knitted and strung up by us.
   So then how does one get out of the cave and into the light of the world above? And then what are you supposed to do when you get there? In the Matrix Neo took the Blue Pill and proceeded to wake up into a horrifying world where robots ruled the roost. I dont know about you but that seems a little far fetched. Anyway, I'm pretty sure that others have in fact done in reality what Plato reffered to metaphoricly. Enlightenment, Liberation, Satori, Samadhi or oneness with God...crossculturally people have reported these kind of experiences and many have left their accounts as to how they achieved their goal.
     One way to look at it is this, there are three worlds that we have access to the waking world, the dream world and the world of Deep Sleep, a formless world of complete cessation. Now I'm sure you  you've heard of lucid dreaming, well this suggests the ability to completely become awake in the dreamstate, in otherwords  to maintain your conscious awareness into the sleep state. What you might not have heard is that it is possible to further extend consciousness into the realm of complete cessation or Deep Sleep. What you realize is that each of the different worlds in which we find ourslves are continouous with one another, they are one and the same thing looked at through different lenses. It is all infact nondual, inside and outside, mind and body, subject and object, everything and nothing, but we just dont see it until we look closer.
    What then does one do who has this realization? Go back to the cave and help others

06-29-2010, 08:23 PM

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logos235
Englewood, FL
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I think morality is innate in human beings, a specific line that may be developed and grown. For example from concern merely for onself to concern for friends and family to concern for all humans and further still to a completely encompassing concern. To say that religion is the cause of morality is strictly speaking absurd. In fact it is more true to say that religion is caused by the those among us who are highly advanced morally.
The question then becomes who taught the Buddah(or Christ etc.)? It seems to be a matter of development from this perspective but shifted slightly it becomes a matter of motivation. What drives truely moral behavior? I put forth that for an action to be considered moral it must be done for its own sake without thought of personal gain or loss, punishment or payment. It is therefor not moral to be motivated by fear of hell. Although it would be more true to say that moral action motivated by concern for self is lower than that concerned for all whatsoever.
This idea of moral development can be better understood in relation to other lines of development. For instance cognitive development, or development of the self sense, artistic development or spiritual development. Each person has access to these and many other lines and they are all inter-related effecting one another in varying degrees. For instance for one to be highly developed morally one must also be highly developed cognitively(IQ) but one can be highly developed cognitively but poorly developed morally ie. Nazi doctors. And since all of us have these inter-related lines of development open to us we can be at different levels on each of these lines poorly developed in one or another or very highly advanced or any combination whatsoever.

05-11-2010, 10:09 AM

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logos235
Englewood, FL
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The Argument from design does appear to be very convincing but it is not perfect and fails when we consider the complexity of the so called creator or "designer." This being must be more complex than the creation just like the painter is more complex than the painting. Therefore there must be a meta creator and so on ad infinitum.

What if the Universe were infinite? This would mean that there was infinite space leading to infinite time leading to the conclusion that if a thing can happen than it must happen, over and over again. Kirk Cameron was nothing more than a hack actor and now he has reinvented himself as religious zealot and his "atheist nightmare" is nothing compared with "Neitzsche's Demon." Paraphrased,what if you were visited by a demon who told you, you must continue to relive this life over and over again, just as you always have, every detail the same. Would you rejoice or despair?

05-10-2010, 08:13 PM

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logos235
Englewood, FL
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They certainly start them young, but of course that makes sense right, I mean isnt that how all religious indoctrination works? Before the individual has a will of her own you program them to believe as you do, whether you're a Muslim extremist or Catholic American it doesnt matter. Children must be made to fit in with society or they become outcasts and exiles condemned to prisons or pychiatric institutions. When its our society we rarely question and when its our enemy we rarely fail to condemn.

05-05-2010, 11:34 PM

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logos235
Englewood, FL
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For one thing it's a religion that has no God. When they asked the buddah if he was a God he said no. Well then they asked what are you. I am awake.
It is also an experiential religion, the main goal being Nirvana or Liberation from Suffering, unlike other religions that put off until death what Buddhism offers in this life.
While it may be important to focus on difference to further understanding of a thing, I think in this case though it may help to understand what what it has in common with other religions. The Buddah was Hindu so in order to understand Buddism you must also study Hinduism. Further, as Buddhism spread into China it encountered Taoism and from that union we have Zen.

05-05-2010, 11:18 AM

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logos235
Englewood, FL
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I really enjoyed this thought provoking series of conjectures about the nature of the Bible and would like to throw my 2 cents in. First off what do we really know about the Bibles origins. This question is undoubtably complex but I think we can all agree that it was put together over thousands of years by many different hands. These disparate individuals ranged from Moses to Constantine and King James so how can we really be sure about anything contained within its pages. That being said there may be other clues about the Bibles origins. For instance, certain discoveries in Iraq, what was once Babylon, of some 250 stone tablets dated to the time of the Sumerian Civilization recount many of the stories in Genesis including the Creation and the Flood. Furthermore the charecter Abraham, the greatest of all the Hebrew Patriarchs, was most definitly from Sumer himself. Basicly the Hebrew nation bagan in Sumeria...
The discovery at the library in Iraq was basicly the story of the Sumerians and their Gods whom they refer to as the Anunaki, "those who from heaven to earth came." We have firstly the story of how and why these Gods came to earth and what they did when they got here. The Crazy thing is these stories seem to be the unedited version of much of the Old Testament. It provides the rosetta stone with which to interpret much of the hithertoo hard to believe parts, for believers anyway. Like how can God be all Good and still destroy Sodom and Gemorah or order the deaths of so many in so many pointless wars. Strangely and with plenty of cognitive disonance attached the answere is Aliens.
The old sci fi maxim, "any advanced technology would be indistinguishable from magic," must be kept in mind here. SO...we have these Anunaki, from heaven to earth etc, and they are just like us so why would it be so surprizing to see so much war and cruelty mixed in with the most sublime spiritual revelation. Their dual nature is the key to unlocking who they are. I mean come on its been staring us in the face, from Greek and Egyptian Dieties all the way to Hindu devas and Mayan and Hopi Legends.

05-03-2010, 07:59 PM

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logos235
Englewood, FL
Posts: 11

I gotta go with Eris/Discordia, the godess of chaos and discord, I mean she started the Trojan War because she wasn't invited to a party.