Christian Fundamentalist View of Atheists

2010-09-23 04:34 PM

ChristyR
Denton, TX
Posts: 197

This is comical.

2010-09-26 03:54 PM

archaeologist
Seoul, South Korea
Posts: 79

this was the original thread i was looking for to make the following post:

"Here are 2 quotes to illustrate what you get with atheism:

1. "One well known case involved a family from Lodz, which at first numbered 8 people. their entire belongings consisted of two baby strollers: the father pushed three children in one, while th emother kept two others in the top of the second. They rolled the strollers along the curb and sang old yiddish songs. They had beautiful voices. He sanf and she sang, accompanied by six children's descants. After awhile there were only 4 voices, then there were three, then one stroller disappeared, along with the family's shoes and what was left of their outer garments. Finally only two people remained. The father pushed while the mother lay in the stroller, singing to accompany her husband. She was 39 years old but looked 100." pg. 122

(the above quote comes from a discussion on the Warsaw Ghetto)

2. "Stalin himself had a brutally simple attitude toward human life. As one recent biographer has observed, he talked about the lives of men as one would old clothes: 'some we keep, some we throw away.' Thus, for all its scientific guiding principles, his regime demonstrated a remarkable degree of casual brutality.In the Ukraine in the early 1930s, some 5 million or so peasants were starved to death in the course of a forced collectivization campaign. Soon after some of the great purges began, devouring prominent politicians and senior military personnel on the basis of personal grudges, rumors and forced confessions...Many never reached the gulag at all. In the generalized slaughter that followed the purges , those slated for deathwere often dealt with in the local NKVD headquarters or merely spirited away. Across the road from the notorius Lubyanka prison in Moscow, there were even a specially constructed abattior for the execution of prisoners, with a sloping concrete floor, hoses to wash away the blood and a wooden wall to absorb stray bullets. The victims were transferred into steel coffins and taken to cremation. Their ashes would be dumped in a mass grave.
The executioners, and their political masters, went about their task with alacrity and a devilish attention to detail. Killings were organized by quota and many...sought to exceed their prescribed limit...The wife of Stalin's secretary, Bronka Poskrebysheva was arrested by the NKVD in 1939 after spurning the advances of its priapic and sadistic leader, Lavrenti Beria. She was held for two years before being executed in the autumn of 1941. Her husband, meanwhile made numerous pleas for clemancy on her behalf..." pgs. 155-6

Both illustrations were taken from the book Killing Hitler by Roger Moorhouse, 2006.

You may think you are a good person, you may not act like this but that does not guarantee that other atheists will follow your lead and be nice. greed, power, lust and other sinful desires are a powerful thing and lead men to do many horrible things. If you need more examples, read The Rape of Nanking by Iris Chang, or look at the regimes of communist china since Mao and North Korea under the Kims.

You live in a fairy tale world if you think atheism is better than God's morality and christianity.

athiests delude themselves and allow themselves to be deceived. 'the fool has said there is no God.' the world does NOT get better by removing christianity or God, it always gets worse and this has been proven over and over throughout history

2010-09-27 01:42 AM

Zach F
Denton, TX
Posts: 119

Congratulations, you found people doing immoral and heinous things who happened to be atheists. I can just as easily make a much, much longer list of religious leaders and religious people doing heinous things to their people. The difference is, Stalin didn't kill people and then justify it with atheism. Stalin had a mustache, so did Hitler. Are these people less moral because they have mustaches? Hitler was a vegetarian. Does vegetarianism cause people to want to commit murder? No, there are no ties between atheism, or any other of these traits, and immoral acts.

However there are plenty of ties between immoral acts and theism. Hutaree, terrorism, all nine crusades, Joshua, David, etc... All killed or plan to kill innocent people. Men, women and children murdered indiscriminately. They all acted or act in the name of their particular god to try and justify what they do. There is a direct link to their religion and their actions.

Saying atheists are bad because of Stalin is like saying Christians are bad because of Hitler. Hitler happened to be Christian (and part Jewish oddly enough), but he didn't act in the name of religion, so it would be silly and irrational to make that connection between his actions and his beliefs.

You live in a fairy tale world if you think theism creates a more moral and just society than atheism.

I'm not arguing that atheism would wash morality over the world. I'm not even going to postulate that the world would even be a slightly more moral place without theism. Human beings, as a whole, are probably always going to find some inane reason to do harm other human beings. I'm just saying that religion, not even Christianity, has done nothing to curb this primal drive for dominance.

2010-09-27 03:27 AM

archaeologist
Seoul, South Korea
Posts: 79

some people just do not get it and cannot stop themselves from annoying others. it is clear the above poster has no clue and just needs to find someone else to chat with

2010-09-27 05:45 AM

Zach F
Denton, TX
Posts: 119

archaeologist Wrote: some people just do not get it and cannot stop themselves from annoying others. it is clear the above poster has no clue and just needs to find someone else to chat with

Are you really going to start copying and pasting every insult? If you are going to repeat yourself at least have the dignity to keep it constructive and perhaps even advance the discussion instead of dropping it down to a level of silly, inane personal attacks.

2010-09-28 03:49 PM

archaeologist
Seoul, South Korea
Posts: 79

ignoring the previous poster who has proven he knows nothing, there is only 1 christian view of atheists--they are sinners and lost, going to hell because they refuse to accept the truth and reject Jesus as their Saviour.

there is no magic formula, there is no intellectual treatise, there are no fancy words--they are sinners and will go to hell unless they repent.

but they will use any excuse to avoid doing that then falsely accuse God, Jesus and christians of crimes and acts they have not done. or find any excuse to justify their unbelief when they need to realize that their choice doesn't depend upon what other humans do or say, their choice depends upon their willingness to accept the truth and accept Christ as their saviour.

the ball is always in their court.

2010-09-28 08:44 PM

spherical basterd
Margate, FL
Posts: 8

To the archeologist:
Fitting name by the way.

Your use of the atrocities commited by the Nazi's and Soviet Communist's is an admirable display of sophistry not seen since the passing of the dear Reverend Jerry Falwell. Congratulations!

However let's compare Christianity's structures with Atheism, Facism and Communism.

Simply put, Nazism and Communism Have a God (the State) a priesthood (the party) and a dogma and belief
system enforced by the priesthood. Atheism has nor believes in none of the above with the possible stretch of an exception; if you want to call critical thought, reason, rational thinking and a desire for empirical evidence, a form of dogma.

Come on, admit it, you're a Moonie, aren't you.

2010-09-29 04:18 AM

archaeologist
Seoul, South Korea
Posts: 79

spherical basterd Wrote:

However let's compare Christianity's structures with Atheism, Facism and Communism.

Simply put, Nazism and Communism Have a God (the State) a priesthood (the party) and a dogma and belief
system enforced by the priesthood. Atheism has nor believes in none of the above with the possible stretch of an exception; if you want to call critical thought, reason, rational thinking and a desire for empirical evidence, a form of dogma.

that is the problem with atheism, it has no direction, no purpose, no order, no belief, no morality, it has nothing thus anarchy is its friend.

2010-09-29 11:03 AM

spherical basterd
Margate, FL
Posts: 8

archaeologist Wrote:
spherical basterd Wrote:

that is the problem with atheism, it has no direction, no purpose, no order, no belief, no morality, it has nothing thus anarchy is its friend.

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As an Atheist I find my own direction and purpose instead of letting it be dictated by others and blindly following a dogma with no congruity. It is up to me to find my own order and structure my own reality and then take full responsibilty for my own actions and thoughts as they affect me and more importantly, those around me.

A belief system imposed by others may bring you the comfort of having your moral decisions made for you, but I'll take the freedom of seeing how random life truly is and take personal action to influence my surroundings
and events taking place in my short time here.

As to having no morality, let me ask this: Does a belief/religion that says others, because they do not hold the same beliefs as you and your group are condemned and less than you and your group, a true moral path?
Morality to me is simple: As you go through life, leave those around you better and possibly happier than before they met you. In other words do good, not evil. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

However religion of any kind and their condemnation of other kinds for even the smallest variation and differentiation is the true anarchy inflicted upon the human race and it's history. Sectarianism has brought more misery and chaos to humanity than all the plagues and natural disasters in history could hope for.

2010-09-29 11:31 AM

blackdog
Essex, MD
Posts: 7

can you explain to me,in clear understanding terms,how your invisible god,got that snake to talk?

2010-09-29 11:35 AM

blackdog
Essex, MD
Posts: 7

do you know, hell location? is hell,invisible?

2010-09-29 11:50 AM

spherical basterd
Margate, FL
Posts: 8

blackdog Wrote: do you know, hell location? is hell,invisible?

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Asking for what I can only assume is a scientific explanation of a clearly supernatural event based on superstition and magic from a believer is nothing more than a circular taunt and adds nothing to the conversation blackdog.

However a btter question may be; Why would a supreme being cause such a place as to exist in a universe
that the religious texts of Genesis delcare to perfect and up to snuff with their God? And furthermore, where in the bible is Hell described?

2010-09-29 02:16 PM

ChristyR
Denton, TX
Posts: 197

spherical basterd Wrote:
archaeologist Wrote:
spherical basterd Wrote:

that is the problem with atheism, it has no direction, no purpose, no order, no belief, no morality, it has nothing thus anarchy is its friend.

**
As an Atheist I find my own direction and purpose instead of letting it be dictated by others and blindly following a dogma with no congruity. It is up to me to find my own order and structure my own reality and then take full responsibilty for my own actions and thoughts as they affect me and more importantly, those around me.

A belief system imposed by others may bring you the comfort of having your moral decisions made for you, but I'll take the freedom of seeing how random life truly is and take personal action to influence my surroundings
and events taking place in my short time here.

As to having no morality, let me ask this: Does a belief/religion that says others, because they do not hold the same beliefs as you and your group are condemned and less than you and your group, a true moral path?
Morality to me is simple: As you go through life, leave those around you better and possibly happier than before they met you. In other words do good, not evil. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

However religion of any kind and their condemnation of other kinds for even the smallest variation and differentiation is the true anarchy inflicted upon the human race and it's history. Sectarianism has brought more misery and chaos to humanity than all the plagues and natural disasters in history could hope for.

2010-09-29 02:46 PM

spherical basterd
Margate, FL
Posts: 8

Hi spherical basterd! Welcome!

I just wanted to let you know that you probably should expect a response from arch. He has been banned for throwing out blind insults instead of actually contributing to the discussion at hand.

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Thank you Christy.

I have to say that I'm completely aginst banning anyone from a forum and discussion short of introducing
virus's and malware.

Banning in any other form stops the free circulation of thoughts and ideas, no matter how objectionable
we may find them. I've always believed that even the most ignorant should have their say and let it be put up to the light of day and proof and criticisms of the masses. Besides my dear, at who would we laugh?

2010-09-29 03:13 PM

ChristyR
Denton, TX
Posts: 197

:) It takes a lot to be banned. But repetetive personal insults for the meer fact that they disagree with you only takes away from discussion.

He was warned serveral times to layoff the personal attacks, but refused to.