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The Bible has some explaining to do...

 
2010-05-27 07:01 PM

HilaryK
Denton, TX
Posts: 39
I'm looking for an honest answer from anyone that can make sense of this.  I'm trying to wrap my mind around the fact that the King James Version of The Bible has so many contradictions of morality and servitude toward the Lord, thy God.   I was reading the book of Deuteronomy, the fifth book of Moses. The passages in particular that seem to contradict the very idea of The Bible as "the good book" are as follows:

Deuteronomy 20 (King James Version)

Deuteronomy 20

 1When thou goest out to battle against thine enemies, and seest horses, and chariots, and a people more than thou, be not afraid of them: for the LORD thy God is with thee, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

 2And it shall be, when ye are come nigh unto the battle, that the priest shall approach and speak unto the people,

 3And shall say unto them, Hear, O Israel, ye approach this day unto battle against your enemies: let not your hearts faint, fear not, and do not tremble, neither be ye terrified because of them;

 4For the LORD your God is he that goeth with you, to fight for you against your enemies, to save you.

 5And the officers shall speak unto the people, saying, What man is there that hath built a new house, and hath not dedicated it? let him go and return to his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man dedicate it.

 6And what man is he that hath planted a vineyard, and hath not yet eaten of it? let him also go and return unto his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man eat of it.

 7And what man is there that hath betrothed a wife, and hath not taken her? let him go and return unto his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man take her.

 8And the officers shall speak further unto the people, and they shall say, What man is there that is fearful and fainthearted? let him go and return unto his house, lest his brethren's heart faint as well as his heart.

 9And it shall be, when the officers have made an end of speaking unto the people that they shall make captains of the armies to lead the people.

 10When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.

 11And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.

 12And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:

 13And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:

 14But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

 15Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.

 16But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

 17But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:

 18That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.

 19When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof by forcing an axe against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field is man's life) to employ them in the siege:

 20Only the trees which thou knowest that they be not trees for meat, thou shalt destroy and cut them down; and thou shalt build bulwarks against the city that maketh war with thee, until it be subdued.

For the countless Christians that read and preach only one verse from one passage to make their point, well, i give you 20.  This chapter is violent.  The Lord, thy God, is promoting and commanding violence.  He basicially is telling Isreal to approach the enemy and at first try to reason with them.  If the better among them are too stubborn to go home, then kill them.  Kill them all.  Kill the HIttites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee.  And, if you don't, then you sin against God. 

That's a lot of people to be ordered to death.  Where is peace, love and understanding of the teachings of Jesus Christ in Deuteronomy?   Did God change is wrathful ways from Old to New Testament? If so, how is that possible?  God is omnipresent, omnipotent, the past, the present, the future and all of existence at once.  How could he possibly EVER have a change of heart???

2010-05-27 07:45 PM

Zach F
Denton, TX
Posts: 119
Deuteronomy was writting at least 1500 years before Jesus, Jesus' teachings would not be in this book.

The bible is full of these oddities. Sell your daughter into slavery, don't eat meat on a friday, don't be gay, don't touch the skin of a dead pig, etc. Hence why it is not a book you should live your life by.

As for the change of heart question. God, assuming he did exist, has never been consistant in his judgement and his punishments.
2010-05-28 07:56 AM

MrWonder
Medium City, TX
Posts: 226
If we read the whole Bible, we see that God would NOT allow the Jews to take over the land until the iniquity of the pagan nations living there was FULL.

In fact, that is why they spent 400 years in Egypt and were slaves there. God gave the pagan nations time to repent and they did not.

When the cup was full, it was time for judgement. It will be the same for this present world. When judgement came, the pagan nations in the land God gave to Israel had to be destroyed because "a little leaven leaventh the whole lump". If they were not destroyed, they would ruin Israel as a nation set apart to God. Sure enough, Israel failed to destroy them and they instead corrupted Israel from the inside out.

No inconsistencies at all.

God is still a God of mercy and of judgement. Mercy comes to those who repent and turn to God, and those who refuse will receive a just judgement.

It will come to this world and the problems are twofold:

1. The world is so hardened against God that it will not repent.

2. It will reach the point that's too late anyway.

Judgement is absolutely on the way. There is time to repent as an individual, but I think it's too late for national repentance.
2010-09-07 03:37 AM

archaeologist
Seoul, South Korea
Posts: 79
"That's a lot of people to be ordered to death.  Where is peace, love and understanding of the teachings of Jesus Christ in Deuteronomy?   Did God change is wrathful ways from Old to New Testament? If so, how is that possible?  God is omnipresent, omnipotent, the past, the present, the future and all of existence at once.  How could he possibly EVER have a change of heart???"

God punishes sinners and this is seen throughout the old testament and it is seen in the new. th ebook of acts has the example of annaias and sapphaira. Revelation has the final judgment and Jesus taught this very fact as well.

i would suggest you get a NASB or NIV to help you understand the KJV as there are many word sinthe last version which need help in explaining what they mean. You cannot take them at face value or the most popular meaning, like theword 'slavery'. IT means different things. A book that has a good chapter on this word is The Politicially Incorrect Guide to the Bible  it is worth buying and reading. it will help you understnad the terminology of the books of the Bible and how they are applied.

Keep in mind that 4th century to 18th century BC words mean things that modern words do not.

He didn't have a change of heart, it is just that His creation 'loves darkness rather than light' in other words His creation rejecte dHim for evil thus He must punish those who made those choices and if He didn't do it throughout eath's history how could He do it at the end?
2011-07-24 07:20 PM

tpickens
Ridgewood, NJ
Posts: 1
The Bible shuld not be read in a literal sense. The words used to describe it are "occult" and "esoteric". It is a living document and you can find your life on any page in any story; It is about you!

Tpickens
2011-07-26 12:36 PM

MrWonder
Medium City, TX
Posts: 226
The Bible has passages that are poetic, allegorical, hyperbolic, and also literal. The Bible is divided into dispensations, also.

One has to keep in mind:

1. Who is speaking.
2. Who is being spoken to.
3. What dispensation it was said under.
4. Why the topic is being addressed.

etc.

The two main overarching dispensations are the Old Covenant and the New Covenant.

If you have further questions, I am available to assist you.

MrWonder

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