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Has The Bible been compromised?

2010-05-23 05:44 PM

ChristyR
Denton, TX
Posts: 197

Scripture, scripture, scripture. Does it bother any devout believers in The Bible that the original text may not even be close to what Christians read today? Through translation, transcribing, man's imagination and own agendas, and nearly 2000 years of time, is it not concievable that The Bible has been compromised?

2010-05-24 06:46 PM

Zach F
Denton, TX
Posts: 119

You should extend that 2000 year mark by another 2 or 3 thousand years, and add to it that all the stories of the old testament were passed down by word of mouth since less than 0.5% of the world at that time was able to write down their thoughts.

2010-05-24 07:00 PM

MrWonder
Medium City, TX
Posts: 226

Nobody thinks Homer's poetry is compromised and there are thousands and thousands upon thousands of ancient Bible texts.

For someone to corrupt them ALL and yet they ALL AGREE is impossible.

The Bible is the most reliable book we have.

2010-05-24 07:03 PM

MrWonder
Medium City, TX
Posts: 226

Evidently a lot more people could read and write than you suppose. Moses couldn't have been the only "genius" in town, and what he wrote was not "handed-down" unless you count it as handed-down from God. He wrote by revelation of the Holy Spirit.

2010-05-25 01:23 PM

Zach F
Denton, TX
Posts: 119

Moses was one of the very few that could read and write. However; of the thousands of people that followed Moses, almost none of them could read or write. Or if they could, there has been zero evidence that shows this.

By the time of Homer (8th century B.C.E.) the literacy percentage had grown, ecspecially in the more cultured areas of the world like Greece. Greece was the most advance civilized areas of the time, rivaled only by Egypt, which had long lost its empire. It has been estimated that literacy reached nearly 30 percent.

2010-05-25 04:18 PM

MrWonder
Medium City, TX
Posts: 226

I hear that assumption from time to time, but Moses could write; apparently Joshua could write.

David could write, Ezekiel could write, Jeremiah could write, etc. SOMEBODY was reading those writings.

2010-05-25 05:31 PM

Zach F
Denton, TX
Posts: 119

Correct, someone was reading those writings, and those people could write, which a big reason we know of them. If, by some chance, one of these leaders could not write, they would have scribe write for them. However, copying was a difficult and timely task. These stories were passed around the world by way of mouth. When one of these stories reached a new town, it may have been written down, translated, maybe even edited to be better accepted in the community. Original texts from such a long time ago are extremely rare and almost never well preserved. Literacy is something that is taken for granted in our society, along with a readily available source of food, and few people truely struggle (compared to ancient times) for survival.

It's hard to imagine sometimes a world were information isn't so easily passed through writing. And even in the time we live in now, things on video and in writing get quickly taken out of context, exaggerated and twisted by whoever is telling the story. It a world where word of mouth is the most common form of communication, original stories quickly get changed.

2010-05-25 06:19 PM

PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

Of all the people on earth the JEWISH people were the most literate of all.
They all knew how to read and write, hows that for something to stick in ones
pipe.
But there were those who were more gifted and those were elevated to SCRIBEHOOD
but all learned to read the TORAH, when it was first produced,
YES some will surely say that not all could read, Well those who couldn't were
exactly JEWISH now, but folks who had melded into the Jewish system as still
takes place globally for folks who are displaced elsewhere.
Take the case of Danny and company.

But that doesn't take away from the original question. is SCRIPTURE COMPROMISED.
The ORTHODOX, the zealots will say surely not, as will all those who never take up the
BOOK and read it for themselves but fall into the habit of relying on others to tell them what
to believe and think.

Take this case in point, I read at random two reads most days- two chapters to keep my
perspective fresh, and the other day I was given to read LUKE 1 the immaculate conception
of Jesus and I would add in John though John had a father, but his mom had been
trying and trying to bear children and had come up BARREN.
BARREN, it was like the woman's fault not that ZACH was maybe INFERTILE?
Anyway today most ROTE TRAINED CHRISTIANS CLAIM THE BOOK as do also
the MUSLIMS as their WORD OF GOD and thus impune it to be INERRANT.

REALLY INERRANT?
EXCELLENT QUESTION posed by this thread.

Take LUKE who wrote what OTHERS- third party stuff retold him and was it all that happened?
Take the case of the discourse on the cross that the other two NOTES DISCIPLES omit
or the tale of the GOOD SAMARIAN,
Were there no embellishments- liars- embellishers back in the day?
Or were they so fearful as in the case of LUKE's other HISTORICAL ACCOUNT of the ACTS.
ACTS 5 was the companion to the LUKE read and 2 THESS.3 go and read and see what
GOD might you allow to see, before reading on here.
HERE we find a regaling story of, FEAR TO KEEP THE NEW BELIEVERS SCARED STRAIT
Really wasn't that the crutch and flaw of the olde faith dfrom whence this faith sundered-split?
Take a look in JOHN 9 after the blind man is healed, how his parents were so afraid of the
DISAPPROVAL of those from the SANHEDRIN, the proto version of modern CATHOLIC ROME.

A place as filled with smarmy ar'sinined oily sleaze balls, whose sexual mores where flawed
and use BOYS CLUD ATTITUDE are directly but incorrectly attributable to the letters of misguided
PAUL.
So many flickering silvered tongued BAS-iches all claiming more than they really ahd any right to.

In JOHN 21 Jesus tells PETE to feed his SHEEP, whihc aren't PETES but Jesus charges of GOD.
Did Jesus mean for PETE and all those later hell bent others to fleece, shear, and murder His
SHEEP who didn't bleat exactly the way it was demanded, ever changing from one generation to
the next?
PETE do you love ME? O yes LORD I DO and you know that I do. Well FEED THEM, take care
of them as I took care of you lot.
SEEMS either PETE FORGOT and got all uppity about who he thought he now was, as is 'found
in the other great apostle todays religious bank so much upon, PAUL.

But wasn't that the tour de force of the SANHEDRIN, GUILT FOLKS< and then THREATEN them
with expulsion and if that didn't work, then threaten with violence and if they still don't walk the
way that the religious idiots demand, then MURDER to cleanse the fold of the rot.

HOW COULD ANANAIS have lied to the HOLY SPIRIT? DIDN"T THE HOLY SPIRIT- GOD know
how this poor man and his wife would act? Did it matter that much to GOD that they kept
back one wit of the rusty bytes?
What about todays ministers who of the ORAL ROBERTS persuasion BENNY HINN and others
who LIE LIE LIE for money and don't drop dead because they lied to the HOLY SPIRIT>

I am glad that here folks DARE to WONDER about all the religious blunders.
But the religious BLINDED, those who fear to be austerized well they'll do anything to stay wlecomed
in, holding to the TITHE 10 percent and think GOD will spend it more wisely than say another
organization.
WASTRELS,
in THESSALONIANS second letter, chapter 3 we find PAUL so concerned about the wastrels-
busybodies who just lol about and dispense what? SCRIPTURE for one, whose only job is to
retell the STORY anyone with eyes and an open heart can read and find truth to further their existence,
AVOID those who live off the availes of others, like WELFARE CASES, which is what most of
todays ministers really are. BASKET CASES for BASKET CASE ASSEMBLIES whose trust of GOD is
so small that they are still LOOKING FOR THE NEXT PROPHET to lead them from their own fears.
And this astute scholar and oratar then goes on to tell them to AVOID, AUSTERIZE such,
and others he even tells the church he had the LOVE to damn them to satans care.
And yet in 1 COR13 we have this same BIPOLAR sod write that work?
LOVE ENDURES ALL< LOVE HATES NOT and yada yada and todays prepted preachers all
recite the same verses OUT OF ORDER as being GOD"S OWN WORDS, and thus NOTHING
COULD BE WRONG.
HOW CAN THAT BE?
If a work is so PERFECT why rework it endlessly?
IMAGINE A MONA LISA, or any other great work fo ART- REDUBBED ENDLESSLY BY ALL MANNER
OF PROFITEERS RACKETEERS?
THAT IS WHAT TODAYS RELIGIONS HAVE ALL EVER BEEN, a racket by which some great fat and
powerful, on the fears of others.

TAKE the case of NEHEMIAH who comes back to JERUSALEM from EXILE and finds what?
THAT his fellow EXILES AREN"T ALL ECHTE-REAL JEWS, but have given themselves to the
mismarriage with other HUMANBEINGS instead of continuing to INBREED?

OR that the OFFERINGS and GIFTS of the TORAH weren't ordered by GOD but that MORONS
added those things in, over a vast period of time.

The other day I watched a MOVIE called IN THE NAME OF THE ROSE and this one scene
stood out for ALL TIMES that mankind has been milking, cajoling others in the NAME of GOD
or gods to do their bidding.
They were having a INTERFAITH, only CHRISTIANS of the various sects under the shadow
of the cross, where they POOR MONKS, the FRANCISCANS were going to debate with the
BENEDICTINES the issue of MERITUS IMPORTUNTA, whether of not JESUS OWNED HIS OWN
CLOTHS and this sort of MINDSET was-is ever present in all religions, the USELESS ISSUES
DEBATED ENDLESSLY to not pointed end.

And so too the GREATEST ABOMINATION the church ever resurrected of all that of TRINITY.
How do I know? Take a look at the legacy of those who BELIEVED this IDIOM and those who
didn't.
What did they most often PRACTICE with extreme unction? Wasn't it MURDER all in the name
of their GOD?
And GOD ORDERED THEM TO THAT, all because the RECORD is INCORRUPTABLE and PERFECT.

PEOPLE don't believe everything they-or I tell you.
OCCAMS RAZOR is the best way to know the BLOW from the TRUE.

I have for years been a thorn in the side of todays RELIGIOUSLY STUPID, who follow the functions
and traditions of RITES passed down,
if they truly had the truth and HAD BELIEVED, then surely they would have been able to do
MARK 16,17+18, even though that portion was not found in the ORIGINAL TRANSLATION.
BUt in defense of it, the early BELIEVERS could do based on the record as the CHRISTIANS
BELIEVERS hold fast to.

YES THE RECORD IS COMPROMISED, and will continue to be so, but then real FAITH IS
NOT FOUNDED ON or IN BOOKS, T/P which most in the western hemisphere wipe their
tucka's with.

PAPER IS PATIENT, you can do what you like to it, and that sadly is the problem with basing
ones whole TRUTH on the basis of what others have AMENDED and ADULTERATED over
the millenniums of time.

So many questions, few dare to ask, if they want to saty to play with those who
bray, how one must pray today, or go off and flay a stray, all because they claim that is
what is blithely written, and thus it MUST BE DONE...

PAX

2010-05-25 06:45 PM

MrWonder
Medium City, TX
Posts: 226

HOW COULD ANANAIS have lied to the HOLY SPIRIT?

Are you asking "how" or did you mean to ask "why"?

2010-05-26 12:31 PM

Zach F
Denton, TX
Posts: 119

The Jewish people were certainly not the most literate people of the time. That was probably the Egyptians. Up until the time of Joshua, the tribes of Isreal were a nomadic warrior tribe. One of the strongest group of mercenaries in the ancient world. The Egyptians, under the rule of Merneptah defeated them and settled them into the Nile delta were they helped defend Lower Egypt from invasions and constructed civil work projects.

Their literacy rate never reached any noticably high levels before Babylon disperesed the Jewish people around the known world.

2010-05-27 02:05 PM

PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

ZACH REPLIED-that Israel wasn't the LITERATES, but EGYPT
for you ZACH, think
DIDN"T ISREAL CAME OUT OF EGYPT and DEVELOPED A BETTER FORM OF
WRITING THAN THE PICTOSCRIPT OF THE EGYPTIANS?
SO YES THE JEWS WERE ALWAYS THE MOST LITERATE PEOPLE.
MOSES WAS TOLD TO WRITE< HIS FAMILY WAS A TALENTED GROUP
AS WERE ALL THE JEWS WHO LABORED FOR THEIR OVER LORDS
the former EGGHEADS that todays world embraces as having been O SO SMART.

BAH you need to open your mind and eyes, and see what is there and not
what they CLAIM is there, and the same goes for when folks READ ANY SCRIPTURE
DON'T FALL INTO THE HABIT OF FOLLOWING TRADITIONALISTS.
IF THAT WERE TRUE, THEN WE AS BEINGS WOULD STILL BE HUNKERING
IN CAVERNS AND FEARING THE NIGHT, STRUGGLING FOR WARMTH BY THE
FIRE WE DON'T UNDERSTAND.

M/W, no I stated, that if GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING BEFORE WE EVEN SAY
ANYTHING< THEN HOW COULD ANYONE LIE?
For the HOLY SPIRIT is of GOD so how could ANI have lied?
IT's impossible, for a lie is only a lie if it decieves, and was GOD DECIEVED?

2010-05-27 02:10 PM

MrWonder
Medium City, TX
Posts: 226

Hi Pash,

When we speak what we know is not true, we lie.

Ananias and Sapphira lied to God. If you have ever had children, you know they will lie to you, even when you know it's a lie.

In fact, just watch "America's Funniest Home Videos." They show kids on there with chocolate smeared all over their faces, and their Mom and Dad are videotaping them, and the parents will ask, "Did you get into the chocolate?" and the child will answer just as seriously as they can muster, "No, no, I didn't get into the chocolate" and it's smeared all over their faces.

MrWonder

2010-05-27 03:37 PM

PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

SO THEN ANI DIDN"T LIE TO GOD as PETE claimed, but to PETE.
Didn't PETE lie often enough to JESUS?
Didn't even Jesus according to the RECORD you well know, for
the children here aren't mature enough for that tidbit, and yet GOD didn't strike
HIS Son, nor Jesus Pete.
SO why then is this twisted bit of rhetoric placed thus?
Isn't it more in line with the rhetoric of the MOSIANIC organism, which Jesus seemed
to be striving against?
WHAT HAPPENED TO FORGIVENESS, and not making such a big issue, after all it was
but filthy LUCRE, for which the likes ORAL ROBERTS in his many diatribes didn't die.
HIS OWN INFAMOUS CLAIM that if his minsitry didn't recieve 8 million that GOD would call
him home. SOME ASSININED THREAT if you asked me,
What about that other dunce, BENNY HINN, doesn't he think his lies are worthy of death
and think for a second, how many would then be added to this faith?

IS THIS CHRISTIAN FAITH BASED ON THE THREAT OF INSTANT DEATH for some stupid
offence?
So the question I was trying to raise was what? Is the record of LUKE's pure and perfect?
I would say it was tampered with as is SCRIPTURE still being TAMPERED by men
today, all in the name of their god-gods.

pax

2010-05-27 04:36 PM

MrWonder
Medium City, TX
Posts: 226

Hi Pash,

How did you manage to get the OPPOSITE of what I wrote?

When we speak what we know is not true, we lie.

Ananias and Sapphira lied to God.

If you have ever had children, you know they will lie to you, even when you know it's a lie.

In fact, just watch "America's Funniest Home Videos." They show kids on there with chocolate smeared all over their faces, and their Mom and Dad are videotaping them, and the parents will ask, "Did you get into the chocolate?" and the child will answer just as seriously as they can muster, "No, no, I didn't get into the chocolate" and it's smeared all over their faces.

MrWonder

2010-05-31 09:27 PM

PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

I didn't M/W
Consider the case of GOD using LIES to decieve men.
And yet we are taught GOD hates lies.
Or is the scripture you and I possess errant, or does it mean we haven't
the foggiest inkling about GOD, except a load of suppositions?

CASE in point 1 KINGS 22 and 2 CHRON.18

pax