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Age Old Question, for me anyways...

2010-05-21 08:41 PM

HilaryK
Denton, TX
Posts: 39

A christian in America worships God. All he has ever known are the teachings of The Bible.
A muslim in the Middle East worships Allah. All he has ever known are the teachings of the Qur'an.
A hindu...
A jew...
A buddhist...

All religions seem to worship their own god or gods in their own way. Who's got it right? How could a singular religion possibly have it right over all the others? Is it fair that the Hindu goes to hell for not worhsipping the Christian God? How about vice versa?

2010-05-22 08:11 AM

MrWonder
Medium City, TX
Posts: 226

Hi Hillary,

There is one way to God and that's through Jesus Christ. He proved it by rising from the dead.

Yes, the others are lost, for a variety of reasons, and they themselves are to blame.

I understand your desire to be "open" to others but if you and I ran heaven, heaven would be hell because we would let in all the wrong people.

God knows what He's doing. There is one way, and that's Jesus Christ - John 14.6.

MrWonder

2010-05-22 10:40 AM

ChristyR
Denton, TX
Posts: 197

How is it their fault? They didn't choose the society in which they were raised. They didn't choose to be born in a different country, a different culture. Their culture thinks, and teaches, the same as you believe. That if that person were to convert, they would go to hell for converting. ....That's a good reason to never consider Christianity. Just as you would never convert to Islam, etc.

2010-05-22 05:36 PM

Zach F
Denton, TX
Posts: 119

Christy,
I think the most used arguement for that is that at some point in each person's life God presents himself in some form or fashion, and it is up to each invidual to recognize that God is trying to reach him and turn to Jesus and God. I'm not sure how that is suppose to happen and it is alledged different for each person. It never really made any sense to me.

2010-05-22 05:50 PM

MrWonder
Medium City, TX
Posts: 226

"They didn't choose to be born in a different country, a different culture."

No, but every person chooses to sin, so every person is responsible.

I would not convert to Islam because it was written by one man (actually it was written down by his followers years after his death, but it's all based on his sayings, so it's one man's book), a man who had his "revelations" during epileptic seizures and who became a murderer and taught his followers to spread his religion the same way, as they still do today.

In contrast, the Bible is a collection of 66 books, written by 40 some authors, many who never knew each other, over a period of 1500 years, on three continents, in three languages, and yet they agree. The Bible says, "Let every word be established in the mouth of two or three witnesses". Islam's book can't do that.

The greatest reason for believing the Bible is fulfilled prophecy. At its writing, 1/3 of the Bible was predictive prophecy, much of which has been fulfilled. No religious book on earth can make that claim. Most have no prophecy at all. Fulfilled prophecy is the greatest vindicator of Biblical truth. Add to that archaeology, and I find it irrefutable. For centures, people thought the Bible erred because there was no evidence of a Hittite nation, but starting in 1876, they found the evidence.

Noted archaeologist Nelson Glueck writes, "As a matter of fact, however, it may be clearly stated categorically that no archeological discovery has ever controverted a single Biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or exact detail historical statements in the Bible."

You will also note that there is absolutely ZERO archaeological evidence to support ANYTHING in the Book of Mormon. It is purely a lie.

2010-05-22 06:09 PM

PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

I would not convert to Islam because it was written by one man
(actually it was written down by his followers years after his death,
but it's all based on his sayings, so it's one man's book),

No more than the supposed TORAH is but one BOOK of one man????????
and the BIBLE, who compiled it? Wasn't it men, for when Jesus was here
there was no such holy BOOK-aka BIBLE IN EXISTENCE.

ALL RELIGIONS SPEAK of GOD to some extent, even todays BUDDHISTS PRAY,
but the question is to whom do they pray, if the Buddhist of my region only
hold to this truth of the ID knowing al?

PEOPLE CONSIDER THE VARIOUS RELIGION like VARIOUS SPORTS VENUES.
YET THEY ARE ALL SPORTS-SPORTING-SPORTY.
POLO. CRICKET, GOLF, BASEBALL, AUTO RACING, SKYDIVING, RACING, etc

AS A CHRISTIAN, I BELIEVE ON THE SAME GOD AS MY LORD JESUS BELIEVED
THE SAME GOD ON WHOM ADRAHAM THE abba OF THE JEWS AND YES I WOULD
HAZARD EVEN THE DISTAND COUSINS THE MUSLIMS.
FOR ABRAM COMES FROM THE SAME REGION AS DID ZOROTHUSTRA, MUHAMMAD
AND IF WE REALLY WANT TO SPIN THE BOTTLE, THEN WE ALL COME FROM THE
SUPPOSEDLY GREAT NOAH, POST FLOOD.

BUT WHAT WE CALL IDOL WORSHIP is what is also known as IDEALISM.
And EVERYONE HAS PENNED IN THEIR MEASURE OF MAN MADE IDEALISM.

M/W, JEREMY 8,8 states something enlightening which all folks whose eyes are
open ought know.
I was given to read JER.7 this morning, and this one verse stood out, go read
the whole chapter in the MESSAGE FORMAT on BIBLEGATEWAY.com
and focus on verse 22
When I delivered your ancestors out of Egypt,
I never said anything to them about wanting burnt offerings and sacrifices as such.

NOW WHO PENNED IN THAT WRIT OF OFFERINGS< IF NOT MOSES?
SO who is lying, is it the great MOSES or JEREMY

and tell me that MOSES WROTE THE WHOLE TORAH, or if not men as in your
truthful example of MUHAMMAD though skewed isn't the exact same as what
JESUS revealed, for christianity is after all based on ONE MANS TRUTH, isn't it
or were the dirty dozen all privy to the inside straight JESUS was dealing?

WHY did they then ask HIM if the parables-parallels were meant only for the
children to ponder and if they were meant also for them/
SO then they didn't know everything, but what JESUS felt they needed.
For would JUDAS have betrayed Jesus if he had known all?
Would PETE have denied Jesus if he ahd known all?
Would Thomas have been such a gitless witless believer?

Pax

2010-05-22 07:41 PM

MrWonder
Medium City, TX
Posts: 226

The Bible is a collection of 66 books, written by 40 some authors, many who never knew each other, over a period of 1500 years, on three continents, in three languages, and yet they agree. The Bible says, "Let every word be established in the mouth of two or three witnesses".

It is not the work of one man, as I clearly stated in my previous post.

Islam's book can't do that. But if you like the Koran, go for it.

2010-05-24 09:14 AM

ChristyR
Denton, TX
Posts: 197

Do you not find it the slightest bit odd that out of the 66 texts in the bible.... there isn't ONE handwritten original copy left standing?

Does it not bother you?

Or does it not bother you that we don't know WHO actually wrote many of these books? Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are all names given by the church some time after they were written....

The made numerous edits to the originals before they were copied... and now, the one you are reading is a copy of a copy of a copy......

At the very least the Bible, as you know it, has been tainted by MANY men....

2010-05-25 04:31 PM

MrWonder
Medium City, TX
Posts: 226

"Do you not find it the slightest bit odd that out of the 66 texts in the bible.... there isn't ONE handwritten original copy left standing?

Does it not bother you?"

No. Most paper only lasts 200 years. I don't know what the record is for animal skins.

The fact there are thousands upon thousands of copies and hundreds and hundreds of years apart and yet they agree is proof they have not changed. IFit were tainted by men, they would NOT agree, yet they DO agree, wherever they are dug up. That's proof they are not tainted. The Dead Sea Scrolls contained a copy of Isaiah nearly a thousand years older than our oldest existing copy and every word agreed, down to a few a's and the's.

It was God's responsibility to get His Words to us and I am satisfied He did.

I am much more concerned about modern-day efforts to destroy the Bible with the raft of new translations, which is why I am still with the old King James. Some modern translations are pretty good, but many are corrupt.

2010-05-25 05:51 PM

Zach F
Denton, TX
Posts: 119

They do not agree. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John even hold different takes on the the same story and they were written within 50 years of each other in the same country. As each of these gospels are written the role of the Jews changes greatly.

The books were written in this order, Mark, Matthew, Luke, John. All were written by anonymous authors, their story was passed down a generation before it was scribed.

It the book of Mark, the Jews hardly play a role at all in the execution of Jesus, and it almost seems as if Jesus had planned his crucifiction with the help of Judas.

The books begin to escalate the Jews role in the following books up until when John is written, the Jewish population has gathered in large crowds and riots, demanding the execution of Jesus. Judas was set set up as the typical backstabbing Jew, and became the poster child for betrayal.

This is a prime example of how word of mouth stories can get twisted be different people. Also of interesting note, by the the time the gospel of John was scribed, there was a huge movement in the Roman Empire against the Jews. It would be folly to consider this a coincidence. Christianity was just starting to get a foothold in the world and it was trying to gain followers, likely by appealing to the popular feeling at the time.

2010-05-25 06:51 PM

MrWonder
Medium City, TX
Posts: 226

I read the King James version. They agree in my Bible.

Each one tells his own viewpoint, but that's not disagreement. That's just each telling what he saw, experienced, or what was revealed to him through the Holy Spirit.

I don't get what you got out of Mark.

There was a huge movement of Jews against Romans long before Christ was born as a man on the earth. That's what Barabbas was doing - leading an uprising against the Romans and that's why he was condemned to be crucified. When the Messiah did not take up where Barabbas left off and become a political-military ruler, Judas and the rest were through with Him.

2010-08-18 01:33 AM

Wayne230
Portland, OR
Posts: 6

Hi! I heard that Barabas later became a Christian and was martyred hor his faith

2010-08-18 01:35 AM

Wayne230
Portland, OR
Posts: 6

HilaryK Wrote: A christian in America worships God. All he has ever known are the teachings of The Bible.
A muslim in the Middle East worships Allah. All he has ever known are the teachings of the Qur'an.
A hindu...
A jew...
A buddhist...

All religions seem to worship their own god or gods in their own way. Who's got it right? How could a singular religion possibly have it right over all the others? Is it fair that the Hindu goes to hell for not worhsipping the Christian God? How about vice versa?

I have a bigger problem when somebody says that all religions pray to the same God. Having looked at what the religions believe their versions of God are quite different.