Jehovah Witness Couple Disowns Child for Receiving Life Saving Blood

2010-05-04 05:33 PM

ChristyR
Denton, TX
Posts: 197

This article reveals the story of a couple who disowns their 5 year old child for receiving a blood transfusion that saved his life.

Jehovah Witnesses believe that receiving blood is prohibited in the bible, along with the ingestion of blood.

The couple and church tried to stop the hospital from transfusing the boy, but the police stopped their riot and arrested the boy’s father in the process. The church posted bail for the father shortly after.

This is where your religious beliefs become a matter of life and death.

Standing up for your religious beliefs until death is a personal decision.

But, where does that stop?

Would you condemn your 5 year old son to death for your religious beliefs?

What about an infant?

Where does it stop?

2010-05-06 02:31 PM

PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

Consider the case of JOHN 9, where the parents disowned their son for
having been changed, given sight, lest they be seen as HERETICS by their
religious leadership, and excommunicated.
Now he was much older, but what is demonstrated here by this thread
is what happens in SPECIFIC SECTS where the FOLLOWERS-ADHERENTS
of said sect, in order to stay in said stated sect misread and apply TRUTH.
WACO , JONESTOWN are infamous examples,
as is also the legacy of the CHURCH towards other christian groups who stepped
away from the EDICTS OF A COLLECTIVE SELECTIVE NEPOTISTIC GROUP and
then were cast out, persecuted and often MURDERED in EXTREMUS UNCTION
for cleansing of the TRIBE from a percieved sin/evil/fault.
Wasn't what they of the SANHEDRIN did the very same thing?

pax

2010-05-08 06:37 PM

MrWonder
Medium City, TX
Posts: 226

It's sad for the little boy, but in the end he is better off without JW's around him. That's my opinion.

All religion is not good religion. The pure fact they disowned their own child is sufficient proof of that fact.

I don't approve of everything my children do either, but they are still my children and I still love them.

2010-05-10 02:23 PM

ChristyR
Denton, TX
Posts: 197

I've known several JWs.... and while I don't believe in what they do.... as a whole they tend to be extremely sweet people. I wonder if this particular congregation was somewhat of an extremist group.

I couldn't imagine disowning my daughter for anything... much less something that she had no control over AND saved her life.....

2010-05-10 05:00 PM

MrWonder
Medium City, TX
Posts: 226

Hi Christy,

I agree with your whole post, except to me, essentially all JW's are extremist, although I am referring to their religous beliefs, not what kind of citizens they are. But then again...they won't do the Pledge of Allegiance or serve in the military either. Hmm. You'll have to decide for yourself whether you consider that extreme or not. I understand it for individuals. Seems strange the Watch Tower Society makes it a rule.

MrWonder

2010-05-10 05:06 PM

ChristyR
Denton, TX
Posts: 197

What are you saying that Watchtower makes a rule?

2010-05-10 05:10 PM

MrWonder
Medium City, TX
Posts: 226

Hi Christy,

I believe I am correcting in saying the Watch Tower forbids the JW's from saying the Pledge of Allegiance, from serving in the military, and from accepting any kind of blood donation.

MrWonder

2010-05-10 05:12 PM

MrWonder
Medium City, TX
Posts: 226

I looked it up and I remembered correctly:

Jehovah's Witnesses are best known for their door-to-door preaching, distribution of literature such as The Watchtower and Awake!, and for their refusal of military service and blood transfusions even in life-threatening situations. They consider use of the name Jehovah—or other common-language pronunciations of the Tetragrammaton—vital for proper worship. They reject Trinitarianism, immortality of the soul, and hellfire, which they consider to be unscriptural doctrines. They do not observe celebrations such as Christmas, Easter or birthdays, which they believe have pagan origins that are not compatible with Christianity. Members commonly refer to their body of beliefs as "the Truth", and adherents consider themselves to be "in the Truth". Jehovah's Witnesses regard secular society as a place of moral contamination under the influence of Satan, and limit their social interaction with non-Witnesses.

Baptized members who violate the organization's fundamental moral principles or who dispute doctrinal matters can be subject to disciplinary action. Members who are considered unrepentant after counseling may be subject to a form of shunning called disfellowshipping. Members who formally announce their resignation from the religion are also shunned.

The religion's position regarding conscientious objection to military service and refusal to salute national flags has brought it into conflict with governments, particularly those that conscript citizens for military service.36]37] Consequently, activities of Jehovah's Witnesses have been banned or restricted in some countries.38] Persistent legal challenges by Jehovah's Witnesses have had considerable influence on related legislation and civil rights in the United States and other countries.

2010-05-10 05:19 PM

ChristyR
Denton, TX
Posts: 197

Oh okay. I wasn't aware of the restrictions that they had on joining the military. That's interesting....

It makes sense though. I had a really good friend who was JW.... I was always asking her questions because I didn't understand. She made it very clear that she wasn't going to do ANYTHING that could be construed as putting something above God.... Or taking away from what she could give to God.

2010-05-10 06:33 PM

MrWonder
Medium City, TX
Posts: 226

Hi Christy,

I'm sure she meant it that way, but since I have been acutely interested in all things purporting to be Christian, I put a lot of study into Jehovah's Witnesses and other cult systems.

She said she puts nothing above God but the truth is she puts nothing above the Watch Tower Society, including God. Charles Taze Russell, on whose teachings the Watch Tower Society is founded, wrote a series of books called "Studies in the Scriptures" and he said if a person studied the Bible alone he would be in the dark.

However, if the person threw down the Bible and studied his "Studies in the Scriptures", that in two years the person would be in the light. Then he went on to say that if the person then stopped reading his books and went back to the Bible, in two more years he would again be in the dark.

So - they put themselves above God and so do their members. And they don't live by the Bible - they live by a version they made up themselves (it's not a translation) called the New World Translation. As I say, that's a misnomer. They don't have any Hebrew or Greek scholars because they would never be a party to such a phony so-called translation.

I am sure they mean well but they are completely brainwashed by their Watch Tower organization.

MrWonder

2010-05-12 03:13 PM

Zach F
Denton, TX
Posts: 119

MrWonder Wrote: I looked it up and I remembered correctly:
. They do not observe celebrations such as Christmas, Easter or birthdays, which they believe have pagan origins that are not compatible with Christianity.

This is actually an accurate statement. While I have not heard the birthday celebration having pagan origins, Christmas and Easter are very pagan.

Christmas Day falls on Dec. 25. Before that date, the days are getting shorter and shorter until Dec. 22-24 they reach the shortest time all year. On December 25, the sun rises 1 degree higher in the sky and the day is slightly longer. This marks the beginning of the light fighting back against the darkness. The pagans had gods representing light and dark, day and night. The Egyptians, for example, personified this with the daily battle between Set and Ra. The Christmas tree is another pagan tradition. If you look throughout Christian doctrine, stories, and history, nature has a very demon-like connotation. The Puritans believed the devil walked the woods outside their settlements. Jesus was tempted by Satan in the wilderness, etc. I have always found it odd that a Christmas tree is used to represent Christ when there are no other positive representations of nature in the religion.

Easter is set near the Spring Equinox. On the spring equinox, the days become longer than night. In pagan traditions, this is celebrated because light is overtaking the darkness. Another interesting to note is the constellation that the sun rises in on the equinox. In the time of Moses, the sun rose on in the constellation Aires, the ram. Jewish traditions have a ram's horn being trumpeted before most ceremonies. During the time of Jesus, the sun rose in the constellation Pisces, the fish. Jesus fed a village with 2 fish; the "Jesus Fish" is seen on the back of cars. Jesus is quoted in Hebrew text as saying that at the end of this age you will be greeted by a man holding a pitcher of water. Interestingly enough, the next constellation in the precession is Aquarius, the water-bearer.

The whole of Christianity and Judaism have very pagan origins. The founders of these faiths built upon what they knew and what preceded them. They are all interconnected.

2010-05-12 04:47 PM

MrWonder
Medium City, TX
Posts: 226

Hi Zach,

You wrote, "The whole of Christianity and Judaism have very pagan origins."

I disagree with the use of the word "origins" but I will agree that Christianity has adopted pagan holidays and attempted to "Christianize" them into holy days.

I suppose in days gone by, it made it easier on the people, which is rather a cop-out. I'm aware of it; I know about it, but I don't get hung up on it. I like to major on the majors and minor on the minors.

MrWonder

2010-05-12 05:45 PM

PASHA
Seattle, WA
Posts: 96

If one were to look back at all the SECTS under the banner of the CROSS of JESUS
they all held the same TRUISM about NON VIOLENCE, until someone among them
brought the BLOOD of CAIN on their name, even the MORMONS were once the PEACE
LOVING flock until their own fear of being hauled back to JUSTICE of the WORLD that
they errantly slaughtered a group of settlers who came seeking EDEN because it was
rumored that FEDERAL AGENTS were among them.

Even the BAPTISTS were once NONCOMFORMISTS to the edicts of the GRAND CHURCH
and the STATE, but sooner or later they all fall victim to the MAINSTREAM lure of mammon
and acceptance adhoc, even today the AMISH are chasing the BRASS RING.

And ZEALOTS- FUNDIES are the DEATH of TRUTH just as is the lure of LUCRE.

pax

2010-05-12 07:29 PM

MrWonder
Medium City, TX
Posts: 226

Hi Pash,

Mormons weren't peaceful. Their founder died in a gun battle after killing a couple of other guys. He was trying to escape jail if I remember correctly.

The Mormons massacred a wagon train too. Never peaceful.

MrWonder